{"id":803,"date":"2016-03-10T16:32:04","date_gmt":"2016-03-10T05:32:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.alchester.com.au\/?p=803"},"modified":"2016-05-12T10:26:22","modified_gmt":"2016-05-12T00:26:22","slug":"battery_power","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/abswww.alchester.com.au\/?p=803","title":{"rendered":"battery power"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>When recently confronted with a potential need to run a LAPTOP at a conference for 8-10 hours, \u00a0then an exercise was undertaken to explore external batteries on the market allegedly providing considerable extra power&#8230;.. \u00a0but not so. \u00a0Read the fine print on the calculations! \u00a0 Some of these &#8216;boost&#8217; batteries are in fact capable of jump starting a diesel 4WD &#8211; and that&#8217;s really the short-burst power capability of these small devices. \u00a0They are NOT for extended consumption by a powerful laptop. \u00a0But the exercise certainly gave rise to a better understanding of what power usage is all about..<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>FYI: It&#8217;s the old story. If you want 1TB running RAID, plus another 1TB of storage, 8 processors and max memory running a 1080, with 5 operating systems running in virtualisation mode &#8211; you have to give up battery life as a compromise &#8211; welcome to my life. see: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.alchester.com.au\/powerful-laptop-with-virtualisation\/\">http:\/\/www.alchester.com.au\/powerful-laptop-with-virtualisation\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<u><b>Battery Myths<\/b><\/u><\/p>\n<p>Whilst the label says:\u00a0 16,800mAh\u00a0 &#8211; but what can it do?\u00a0\u00a0 What voltage is it rated at?<br \/>\nJust what can you you do with this alleged 16800mAh of capacity?<br \/>\n<u><br \/>\n<\/u><u><b>Proposition:<\/b><\/u><u><b><br \/>\n<\/b><\/u>the number more likely represents\u00a0 3.7v\u00a0 *\u00a0 16800mA\u00a0 being\u00a0 62.16Wh\u00a0 (but only as a PEAK!)<\/p>\n<p><u><b><br \/>\n<\/b><\/u><u><b>Stated Purpose<\/b><\/u><br \/>\nLet&#8217;s consider these small external JUMP-START batteries offering 250-300CCA (500-600 peak CCA) for starting a car&#8217;s flat battery.<br \/>\nTheir design is based on short (3 second peak, and no more that 30 seconds)\u00a0 connection for a short COLD START of a medium sized engine.<\/p>\n<p>They do NOT offer holding power for sustained output.<\/p>\n<p>Don&#8217;t fall for the 16800mAh versus\u00a0 your internal battery of\u00a0 4025mAh and dream that it will run for 4 times the normal use of your laptop.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">The discharging process bears no relationship to such poor mathematical expectations<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><u><b>10 observations<\/b><\/u><u><b><br \/>\n<\/b><\/u><br \/>\n1.\u00a0\u00a0 It is a Lithium Battery &#8211; but is it ION or Polymer<br \/>\nOf concern, was that the INPUT CHARGER was a light-weight humble\u00a0 240v &#8211; 12v adapter only providing 1A output!<br \/>\nThat&#8217;s an mere 12W charger trying fill up an alleged 16800mAh device!!\u00a0\u00a0 That will take 17 hours assuming no loss of current!<\/p>\n<p>2.\u00a0\u00a0 Batteries cannot transfer power to another battery at a consistent energy RATE.<br \/>\nIf they contain a 3.7 Polymer battery,<br \/>\nand if they have transformers that permit 5v\u00a0\u00a0 12v\u00a0\u00a0 16v\u00a0\u00a0 19v\u00a0 output,\u00a0 it is likely to be a a different Amperage output rate.<br \/>\nie:\u00a0 the test unit states:\u00a0\u00a0 OUTPUT of:\u00a0\u00a0 19v at 3.5A<\/p>\n<p>3.\u00a0\u00a0 But manufacturers of course,\u00a0 never state for HOW LONG that output can be sustained.\u00a0\u00a0 The reality is,\u00a0 it is NEVER sustained.<br \/>\nThe UNWRITTEN REALITY is that it is a <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><u>maximum capability statement,\u00a0 for initial output only<\/u><\/span><\/p>\n<p>4.\u00a0\u00a0 External Battery Output\u00a0 is 19v at 3.5A\u00a0 suggests output of\u00a0 (w = v * a)\u00a0\u00a0 of\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><b> 66.5W (watts)\u00a0<\/b><\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 &#8211; a statement of maximum output capability&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>5.\u00a0\u00a0 The laptop appliance will PULL (draw) the power that it requires (as a demand system),\u00a0 based on the laptop VOLTAGE and Amperage needed<\/p>\n<p>6.\u00a0\u00a0 EXAMPLE:\u00a0\u00a0 Gary&#8217;s Venom 13&#8243; laptop with Debian Jessie &#8211; i7 CPU, 16GB ram 2x mSATA 512GB running raid-1 PLUS another 1TB SSD drive<br \/>\n1080 Hi-Res screen, backlit keyboard,\u00a0 Intel GPU (and an Nvidia GPU, disabled)<br \/>\nhas an <b>INTERNAL\u00a0<\/b> 19.v\u00a0\u00a0 5600mAh battery.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This is 2 years old, and degraded to 72%\u00a0 at 4054mAh\u00a0 according to #upower -d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 and<br \/>\nroot@absvenom:\/home\/gaz# <b>acpi -bV<\/b><br \/>\nbattery 0: design capacity 5600 mAh, last full capacity 4054 mAh = 72%<br \/>\nSo, that power consumed for a realistic 83% usage of that degraded available energy is say:<br \/>\n83% of 4050mA \u00a0 in 70 mins\u00a0 =\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2881mA <b><u>pe<\/u><\/b><b><u>r<\/u> <\/b>hour\u00a0 but only for\u00a0 70 mins\u00a0 until DEAD.<\/p>\n<p>7.\u00a0 So, the LAPTOP is drawing power for USAGE, during that one hour of operation is\u00a0 2.881A at 19.5v\u00a0 =\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">56.18W\u00a0 constant demand<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p>8.\u00a0 When connecting the external battery to the LAPTOP (fully charged to start with),\u00a0 what transpires is:<br \/>\na)\u00a0\u00a0 The Laptop declares it is being CHARGED from AC (but really from the external battery source)<br \/>\nb)\u00a0\u00a0 The internal battery level indicator declares it is 100% full until the external battery becomes depleted and stops<br \/>\nc)\u00a0\u00a0 The external battery lasted ONLY\u00a0 35 minutes<br \/>\nd)\u00a0\u00a0 Then the internal battery starts to discharge,\u00a0\u00a0 and in the test case,\u00a0\u00a0 reduced to 62% (down 38%)\u00a0 in a mere 20 minutes!<br \/>\n<i>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (of interest to notes, was a 12% loss in a 70 second interval!)&#8230;.\u00a0 <\/i><br \/>\nPrevious tests have show a\u00a0 1.18% loss of power every minute,\u00a0\u00a0 which is the typical expected.<br \/>\ne)\u00a0\u00a0 It was decided to abandon the testing,m and recharge the internal battery from 240v \/ 19.5v 6.15A (120W) external ADAPTER.<br \/>\nThis took from 15:21PM (at 62%)\u00a0 to\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 16:50PM (100%)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ie:\u00a0 a little more than an\u00a0 90 minutes to top up 38%&#8230;.\u00a0\u00a0 <i>(using a 120W supply!)<\/i><\/p>\n<p>9.\u00a0 Meantime the external unit is now awaiting a long\u00a0 night to recover from its 35 minutes of enjoyment!<\/p>\n<p>10.\u00a0 Do they work?\u00a0\u00a0 For a quick boost for 35 minutes &#8211; yes, \u00a0 but for sustained usage: \u00a0 **NO**<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>The good news<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>The conference where power for laptops was needed, saw it prudent to supply 4-way power boards under each table throughout the venue. \u00a0Nothing like 240v to run a laptop all day!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>If you want a jump start for your car, \u00a0here&#8217;s an example of what was tested<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ebay.com.au\/itm\/16800mAh-Car-Jump-Starter-Emergency-Charger-Booster-Power-Bank-Battery-SOS-Light\/262184551886?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&amp;_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3D20a49226c27f472d80bc629cd86b9f53%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D252080316373\">http:\/\/www.ebay.com.au\/itm\/16800mAh-Car-Jump-Starter-Emergency-Charger-Booster-Power-Bank-Battery-SOS-Light\/262184551886?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&amp;_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3D20a49226c27f472d80bc629cd86b9f53%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D252080316373<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When recently confronted with a potential need to run a LAPTOP at a conference for 8-10 hours, \u00a0then an exercise was undertaken to explore external batteries on the market allegedly providing considerable extra power&#8230;.. \u00a0but not so. \u00a0Read the fine print on the calculations! \u00a0 Some of these &#8216;boost&#8217; 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